Best deal for me on Mobil 1 0w-40 has been OSH. I use the same oil all seasons. The rate of Engine oil oxidation can cause deposits, sludge and other performance problems. I believe the previous owner was pretty good with maintenance and possibly used Royal Purple. I just stocked up on Mobil 1 as both of my vehicles call for 0W-40 and the wife's truck takes some goofy Mobil 1 Fuel Economy weight that I can't seem to remember at the moment. Were the ultimate Honda Insight forum to talk about Hondas hybrid car and its fuel economy and specs! I stopped using the TGMO due to availability mostly. Still a nice price. Quaker state, I hate it because my father hates it.
God I'm such a cheapskate. In addition, to make up for the moly, LiquiMoly has a MOS2 additive that I can add. That will probably take me 18 months to accrue but the van is kept garaged. I was looking on the mobil 1 website and just doing some research when I ran across their Advanced Fuel Economy oils. MSDS or did one of the XOM documents specifically state this? Mobile 1 0W20 Observation, Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum, Classifieds - buy & sell (no commercial ads please), Engines / Suspension / Wheels / Tires / Audio / Accessories, European T4R & Hilux Surf Clubs (click to view), Asia & Oceania T4R & Hilux Surf Clubs (click to view), Africa & Middle East T4R & Hilux Surf Clubs (click to view), Latin America / Carribbean T4R & Hilux Surf Clubs (click to view), https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forumNumber=2463028, M1 afe vs toyota 0w20 | Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Cars/Pickups/Vans/SUVs | Bob Is The Oil Guy, Motor Oil Study Finds That Motor Oil Brands Are Not Important - The Drive, http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-ge-my-build.html. JavaScript is disabled. AscendingDescending, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited, Copyright20002022RedFlagDeals.com. Too bad the extended performance (EP) line is not included, those have been shown to have surprisingly high levels of group IV base stock (PAO esters) top notch stuff. I saw it at wal-mart today, and notice the price is the same as the regular fully synthetic oil. I have noticed my mileage is always less while the vehicle is warming up. I dont need all 3, Stocked up when these were $22/jug last time at Canadian Tire. This^^^^.
2,500 miles on M1 0w30 and no consumption so far. I need to start doing my own oil changes. At walmart they both are the same price, and if this oil could save me about $5 in the life time of the vehicle so be it, money is money. My Sienna came with a 2 yr/30K warranty, so I will have the dealer change the oil on it until that warranty is done, mainly for records. That guy is pretty good and probably has done so. General Troubleshooting and Technical Help, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. hmm, I'm finding some of this a little confusing. Just like every other manufacturer they want to sell cars.. which means they want yours to slowly wearout and die. The Extended Performance High Mileage has a much lower PAO percentage, oddly. So you need some Group I, petroleum oil, an ester or AN to use as the oil additive carrier. Now I can add the entire thing, but because the factory fill already contains a good amount of moly in it, I can split it. Learn more at our resource centre. Good to know.. Oxidation stability is a chemical reaction that occurs with a combination of the lubricating oil and oxygen. I even had a Honda dealer tell me that: But Mobil Extended Performance 5W-20 is better overall, because it has more additives to last 15,000 miles (not that I would do that). I always used 10W-30. I've seen this acronym used twice in the first two dozen posts. cghbuilder86, i actually tested it for about a month on my 1st car but actually you wont notice a thing especially if your car already has a high mileage and there are lots of factors that could affect your fuel efficiency. That being said, a 0W30 will flow to all the parts faster than s 5W or 10W oil. buster thread bump. Once the oil is warm it's as thick as the OEM fill. Thanks for answer. I have a buddy that gets all uptite about oil specs, and the like and badgers me constantly about it. Hi adc, yep that's me! AMSOIL Blog, The Main Causes of Oil Degradation in Engine Oils, Problems, Maintenance, and Repair (Gen 2), VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada, siennachat.com is an independent Toyota enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. Mobil 1 0W-20 Advanced Fuel Economy Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 qt. In a very cold climate 0W oils are much better than 10W or even 5W based on my real world tests. why stock pile it, what if you change cars, what if blah blah blah. So, it's not really a long drain oil, and I suspect if you tested it at 7000 miles you'd find it is acidic (causing metal damage). I used my oil changes at 5k and 10k. Before 0W oils were readily available I was using 5W oils and of course before that 10W oils. Otherwise I'd be really suspicious that they are using Masda- RECOMMENDED Castrol. But it wouldn't really matter which one is used since they both do the same thing. "Annual Protection". Might switch from 5 w20 non synthetic to this. Change your oil once a year, even if you do not drive it. Upon looking at the back labels it seems to be compatible with most cars that use 5w-20. Any MPG gains are going to be minimal and you probably won't notice them. The fuel economy bit is probably snake oil. You won't gain or lose any power. It's a stronger oil. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums68#Post2257268. Every engine that he used it in was full of sludge when he performed a tear-down.
Ordered two jugs. I've been stocking up 0W-20 this way with Quaker State brand as well. Mobil tech was very helpful and said the AFE 0w30 can probably use slightly less ZDP because it's using higher quality base oils than the standard Mobil 1 line. Because that is the most important thing ultimately. I have enough stocked up from previous promos which should be good for 5 oil changes or 35K miles.
JavaScript is disabled. I picked up 8 casesLOL. API allows a range in each weight so two 30 weights can vary some. A bottle of this LiquiMoly cost $7 at the local Napa. Compact Fridge (Black or White available), [Home Depot] I hope you watched them pouring the oil from the original container into your engine, Unobtanium. The noise did not change and I believe it is the characteristics of the engine. I use extended and change it every 7500k with new filter. Comes out to about $10 for 5 quarts. I was just wondering if anyone has ever used this type of oil, or would even recommend it. That is what my dealer used during the two free oil changes. FYI. If the 0W-30 advanced fuel economy and 5W-30 standard are almost the same thickness does that mean that the Advanced fuel economy is more of a marketing thing and there would basically be no difference in milage between these two? Did you buy per quarts or per 5 quarts? Use it without reservation. Pretty painless. That leaves the Extended Performance, the one purporting to increase Fuel Economy and the basic Full Synthetic. A bottle of this LiquiMoly cost $7 at the local Napa. I'd buy Castrol before either of them. Something to keep in mind for those with bigger engines. I'll probably just stick with 5W. Short answer: Joe's correct; the fuel savings will be minimal. If you want the most fuel efficient grade for a GM vehicle, 0W-30 is it. Silver 01 5spd #0160 Sold to fellow Insight owner, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, https://www.insightcentral.net/foruys-info-can-found-here-please-read-first.html, https://www.insightcentral.net/forums/modifications-technical-issues/7304-turbocharged-insight.html, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada, insightcentral.net is an independent Honda enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. I know Mobil 1 0W20 is the recommended oil, but WHICH Mobil 1? Autozone wants like 7.5-8, any internet places for cheaper ? Unless there's a rebate on Mobil1, then I use it since it comes out to about the same price. This is the oil my Mazda dealer uses: I agree. Powered by Invision Community. I have a question. Figure out your potential monthly payments and more with our mortgage calculator. I'm in the boat where I may be changing my wife's Rav4 oil because we are coming up on a year, and only put on about 5000 kms at this point. [Walmart] Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20 4.73L - Case of 3 = $80.91 ($26.97/jug), Display posts from previous: All postsLast dayLast 7 daysLast 2 weeksLast monthLast 3 months6 MonthsLast year, Sort by AuthorPost time Were the best Subaru Forester Owners Forum to talk about the best years of the Subaru Forester, modifications and reliability history of the Subaru Forester. For users logging in via Facebook. Didn't think it mattered if it was 5 or 10 as long as it was 30? I would use Kirkland synthetic, but we don't get the 0W20 here yet, just recently they started stocking 5W30. Even if I go to our sponsor, the MAzda Moly oil comes out to $7-8/quart and I have to buy at least $150 worth to get the free shipping. Yep they are different, good call, the Toyota version is a little thinner and.I will be sticking with it. Mileage gains might be small, 0.1, 0.3 for instance but over time it will mean lower operating costs. I just didn't think it would make since to see a very noticeable difference in switching the oil to a 0W-30. Been using Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy for the past 4 oil changes. I think I need to write Blackstone and ask if they have ever tested oil that sat in a car for a long time without driving. Not the same oil. My 3.7 V6 engine takes a full 5L jug of oil and the Pennzoil works out to be the better option. Thats why you should put a few tums in the crank case!!! driveaccord.net is not in any way affiliated with Honda Motor Company. Now, I do all the work. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I can't speak to the marketing strategy with all the different labels on the M1 products nowadays. Depends how you drive. I know the OE Castrol is a good oil, but I'm loyal to the Mobil brand, it's a little cheaper, and it's easier to find locally. (I stocked 7 cases when a friend sold his garage stock). At operating temps, a 30W oil from the same manufacturer and same line of oils should be of similar viscosity at 100C or 212F whether it's a 0W30, 5W30 or a 10W30. Researching led me to that. I got the check in the mail about 6 weeks later.
I was using Annual Protection for a while (in our other Toyotas) but I believe it has been discontinued. It won't hurt anything but you probably won't gain anything either. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I deal with 100+ in the summer and -20F in the winter. At $2-3 a quart, the PP is a no brainer. http://mysite.verizon.net/oldhokie/windyridge/oil.pdf. In any case you don't want a low TBN in a brand-new oil. At 4.73L for the Mobile 1, I'd have to buy an extra quart for each oil change which doesn't save me any money.
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Change it regularly (mileage OR time, whichever comes first) and it will last a very long time. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Silikhan Publishing Group & GM-Trucks.com My free service is done so I'll be changing it myself soon. Over there, I learned that the Extended Performance version of Mobil 1 has the highest PAO percentage. Combine that with Mobil's $12 off 5 qts rebates and you get down in the $3/qt range. Yeah I mixed-up the TBN with the Moly number (antiwear additive). 5W30 is just slightly thicker than 0W30 at operating temp but not enough to make a difference. Those are proven facts, low viscosity oils save fuel. Synthetic motor oils offer better oxidation resistance. I've been using a variety of synthetics oils/lubes on a wide variety of autos, trucks and equipment (gasoline and diesel) since 1984. https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/mobil-1-ad 0198839271, I ran 20 year old oil in my carhere's the UOA, [Amazon.ca] Don't have an account? Check out the VOAs posted around if you want to know the difference. Find the best mortgage rates and see whats available on the market now. I'm always happy to save on gas even if it is minimalbut would 0W-30 offer just as much protection? The higher quality base oils are adding lubricity to the oil. The others have about 800ppm of ZDP. TCL 55" Class 4-Series 4K UHD HDR Smart Google TV 55S446-CA $387, [Walmart] ZDP is also the least expensive anti wear additive. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is very good stuff with a strong add-pack, itself. There's a $12 rebate on 5qt Mobil-1 oil starting today: EP is considered to be more robust then AFE, according to bobistheoilguy.com. I have done plenty of research in the area and have switched all my vehicles to either 0W30 or 0W40. The only difference I noticed was the first oil change @ 5,000 miles. It is a expensive but I don't really care, I don't like Mobil 1, if I were you I go walmart buy Costrol OW-20 for 23 5QT, Actually this has an online rebate form, you just need to take a picture/screenshot of your receipt and submit it together with your information (name, email, address). They periodically have $10 off $30 or $20 off $50 coupons. It is not worth much more than the price of admission, either (ie, free). Local walmart sometimes has it for 6.75/bottle. We'll have to use your final 25k service." Pretty nice for me as I have two cars running on 0W-20, I do the oil change myself, and I don't eat out much, I'm not a fan of RP or M1, as they both shear pretty badly. I was dumbfounded. I was excited to bring the mileage as close as possible on my Mobil1 to make sure I had an apples-to-apples comparo. Not gunna gain any noticable fuel economy from switching your motor oil. What is meant by the term oxidation stability and why is it important? I switched to M1 EP and haven't looked back. the odd thing about the AFE line is while having a better base oil blend (20-50% PAO per 0w20/30 MSDS Japan), the ZDP levels are lower than the rest of the Mobil 1 line @ .065. Royal purple OW-20, it works great for cx5. DEWALT 20V DCE100B 3-Speed Compact Jobsite Blower $79.50, [Amazon.ca] Per owner's manual: Recent oil analyses of Honda 0w-20 and 5w-20 (from bobistheoilguy forum) show it is not a good oil, because it wears out as early as 5000 miles. It's pretty close in cost. Now, that is 20+ years ago, so I bet QS has improved/ fixed the issuebut I'm still not going there. It competes less [than ester] for real estate on the metal surface, thus allowing for more additive adherance to the metal.
Well, that is an answer. JavaScript is disabled. Don't worry about the 0 being too thin. 0w, 5w, 10w, etc.is not weight but an somewhat arbitrary rating based on the oil low temperature flow and pumping characteristics - SAE J300 (1999) Motor Oil Grades- Low Temperature Specifications. It's the best of both worlds. siennachat.com is not in any way affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation. costco has the castrol edge 5L jugs on-sale for $27.xx. I've eliminated the one for High Mileage vehicles, since I have less than 20,000 miles. Fuel economy and engine performance did change for the better. Is this the Toyota motor oil? I change my oil every 5000 miles, so I don't think which brand of Synthetic makes that much of a difference. Anyone in Ottawa to buy a jug @cost? The fuel economy gains will be while the engine is warming up, less drag on engine parts. Silikhan Publishing Group & GM-Trucks.com, 1999-2013 Silverado & Sierra (GMT-800/900), Magneride replaced - ride height seems off, Breaking News - UAW and GM Reach Tentative Agreement, Costco Kicks Off Season of Values With Great GM Vehicle Deals, "Silverado Race Truck" Previews Future Silverado ZRX, New Face For 2021 Chevy Colorado Debuts On Hall Racing ZR2, Following a Hopeful Stretch UAW Now Says Strike Deal Moving Backwards. :raspberry: How do you know the 0W-20 is 50% PAO and the rest Visom and alkylated naphthalene?
Problems, Maintenance, and Repair (Gen 3), The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, The Importance of Oil Oxidation Stability, What Causes Engine Oil Oxidation? 0W-40 Mobil1 is relatively easy to find, but the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy stuff can be tough to find around here. As an Amazon Associate, Mazdas247 earns from qualifying purchases. Schneiders Juicy Jumbos $3.88 Jul 21-27. My wife thought the free service was the greatest thing, so I made her take it in and wait. October 21, 2010 in Vehicle Appearance, Care, & Maintenance. YMMV. Yeah I cant say I know of any differences with the advanced fuel economy line vs regular mobil1. FYI.
Here's a thread discussing Mobil 1 AFE (there is no "e" in this Mobil) the first time it was introduced: As I mentioned above, this oil was first introduced in 200. I wouldn't mind spending extra for the OEM stuff, I just have a bunch of 0w20 in my garage already and I don't want to crowd the garage any further. Looking for a credit card? I may be biased towards Mobil because it's a US based company. I'd use the Mazda Moly oil. Ive ran 0-20, synthetic, non systh, 5-20,10-30, mobil, generic, honda, you name it. Pennzoil Platinum 0W20 for the Sienna. 2 free oil changes at 10k and 20k, and 5 free tire rotations every 5k. I'm 0w40 guy also. If I use this rebate, it comes out to $2-3/quart. This belief that everything Honda makes is "perfection" is ridiculous. It flows very easily at startup (and yes, even a 70F day is a cold start to a motor that operates at 205F) and provides great protection in high temps. Does this make any since. I've been doing this for several years and am very happy with the 0W and 5W performance. I run GM 10W-30 from the dealership and have for over 100,000 miles (ran 5W-30 until recently) on my 05. He ran it in one of his personal cars and it performed well. Which M1 0w-20? Mobil also touts an oil warranty that doesn't end at 150k mi/15yr or whatever Pennzoil has that you need to register for to get For the 2011 and 2015 Sienna, I just use Costco's Kirkland 0w-20 Synthetic motor oil.
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